There are precious few people who have the courage to live what they
believe. One of those rare heroes is Scott McDonald.

Scott is Web master and co-creator of Fight the Fingerprint.
also operates Scan This News — an e-mail service that reports on
to impose various citizen ID and tracking systems. Last week, when the
General Accounting Office issued its report on the growing use
(misuse) of Social Security numbers
, Scott was there with news,
analysis and links to documents.

Even more important, Scott and his family live their principles even
when it puts them at risk. They refuse to accept universal government
Scott’s twin sons have been denied drivers licenses in Alabama because
have no Social Security numbers. Scott himself lost his 15-year-old
homebuilding business because he refused to offer a Universal Citizen ID

Number when renewing his contractor’s license. He and constitutionalist
attorney Larry Becraft
now fighting the state — and fighting for everyone who believes
that government efforts to track and control all individuals are the
literal or figurative road to Hell.

Scott operates with the conviction of his Christian beliefs, the
of his nature, and the cool-headed logic of a self-taught researcher. He

lives a long way from Hardyville, but he was very close to my heart this

week when he talked by phone about his mission:


How did you get into this battle?

About twenty years ago, my wife (then my fiancee) was a legal
A gentleman named Larry Becraft was one of the partners in the firm. He
used to talk to me, and I found some of what he said hard to believe. I
jokingly called him Larry Spacecraft because I thought he was so far
He gave me some books, in particular one called
When Your Money Fails
by Mary Stewart Relfe, Ph.D. She
that we were going to a cashless society, with all finances run through
computers, and with Social Security numbers used to track all

(Note: Relfe has since written a followup book, New

Money System.)

I found this hard to believe at first, too. But then I realized that
people were asking for my Social Security number everywhere I went, and
that many of her predictions had already come true. When I read the
Larry gave me I realized there was a big problem. Then much later I read

your article, “Land-Mine
about how so many ID and tracking laws are being
in secret — and I decided I was going to do all I could to correct the

We are right now going through a political and social transition at
least the equivalent of the Civil War, if not the American Revolution.
technology gives new tools of power to governments. Whoever comes out in

control of this technology will control the world’s economy and social
It’ll either be the people who have control, through anonymous access to

the Internet, anonymous commerce and banking, or else it’ll be the
What happens to commerce will determine all other aspects of the social

But the government justifies universal ID and tracking on the
of combating international terrorism, money laundering and ID fraud.
do you say to that?

The ideal situation to combat terrorism, from a government’s point of

view, would be to come right out and say you’re establishing a police
state. We’ll monitor and control everything you do, and if you’re not
anything we consider wrong, you’ll be in no trouble. But is that the
America we’re pretending to perpetuate when we elect representatives and
on? In reality, without admitting they’re creating a police state,
legislating a new kind of America that’s not in the Constitution.

And these laws are self-perpetuating. The more we depend on supplying

information in order to get loans, get credit cards or buy a house, who
are becomes critical to what you can and cannot do. As technology is
to maintain these financial/ID databases, the opportunity to abuse the
databases grows, and more laws have to be put in place, supposedly to
control the information. But that controls innocent people.

Why do you feel the need to educate others, and not just to fight
this yourself?

I was sort of a rebel in school. My father knew that I didn’t like
certain regulations, and he’d say, “You’re not going to change the
But I’m still trying. There’s a principle of right and wrong, and this
principle of doing what’s right motivates me every day. When I see this
deception in our government and I know what’s wrong, there’s no way I
stop myself from trying to educate people about it.

How are your sons handling being unable to drive?

My sons, who I admire greatly, are wonderful. We’re way out in the
country where there are lots of things to do without driving. Chris and
Nathan are best friends. They entertain each other. The fact that they
our daughters are homeschooled makes all the difference in the world,

How did you feel when you knew you were facing the loss of your
contractor’s license and your livelihood?

It was a very tough decision to know I’d be giving up my business for
matter of principle. All I’d have had to do was write my Social Security

number on that application. I’d already paid my money (which, by the
they’ve never returned).

But you know what bothered me most, in both cases, was the hypocrisy.

When my sons couldn’t get their licenses, and we fought it, finally they

were willing to go to a word processor and have some underling type up a

document for us to sign, making us exempt from the law. They just said,
“We’ll go along with this. We’ll fix this for you if you’ll quit raising
fuss.” We refused to sign.

And Hulan Smith, Chief of the Building Inspection Department for the
City of Huntsville, sat on the state board that three times refused to
me my contractor’s license due to my refusal to provide a Social
number. Hulan is responsible for administering the city building license

program. The same law that requires me to have an SSN for my state
contractor’s license also says cities have to require SSNs for their
licenses. But when I asked if he was going to enforce this on his local
buddies, he said, “No, we’re not going to enforce that here.”

Laws should not be enacted unless they’re going to be enforced. They
should be enforced uniformly and fairly. And if they’re not going to be,

they shouldn’t be passed. Agreements like the one they offered my sons
designed to quiet down the squeaky wheels until after their agenda is in


We’ve gotten where we are today because people won’t stand on
They may complain about things, but they won’t do anything.

What do you think of Congressman Ron
Paul’s effort (HR220)
to limit use of Social Security numbers and
the federal government from creating universal ID standards?

I admire him for trying. If all our representatives were like him,
do okay. But they’re not. And as long as people are thinking their
congressman is going to do things for them, that someone else is going
take care of them, there’s no hope. Only when people go down to their
local licensing agency and say, “I’m not going to give you my Social
Security number,” or go to the bank and say, “I’m not going to give you
fingerprint,” will we have any chance.

Who do you think is going to win the battle for control of

The government. This is an international effort, directed by the G7
nations. President Clinton goes to these meetings that determine global
policy, but our representatives aren’t even briefed on them. It’s all
so quietly it’s hard to combat.

Do you see any hope for freedom?

The only hope I see is in the Y2K catastrophe. If there’s sufficient
panic and sufficient numbers of people pull their money out of banks,
veil will have been lifted off the fraud that’s been perpetrated upon
American people. The money system will collapse because there’s nothing
behind it. Social Security will collapse. Then hopefully, the people
fix the problem.

I have a greater fear that there’s going to be no Y2K
than that there will be one. What are people going to say if there’s no
catastrophe? “Technology is a god in itself. It can do anything.”

On the other hand, I’m very encouraged by the response to this Know
Your Customer proposal
. I’m encouraged by the opposition to these drivers license photo sales. I’m encouraged by opposition to the

national ID. The Fight the Fingerprint Web page is about to turn over
100,000 visitors. That’s nothing compared to WorldNetDaily, but for a
little country-run site, it’s a lot. As more people get fed up with
stupid restrictions — as they go down and find out they have to give a
number just to get a hunting license — there’s hope that they might

You remember, Clinton recently honored Rosa Parks for making a
difference in the civil rights fight. And she did. But what did Rosa Parks
? She resisted the law. One ordinary working woman resisted a bad
and things started to change.

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