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In her first radio interview, the woman who nursed the wounds of Juanita Broaddrick shortly after an alleged sexual assault by Bill Clinton, says she remains convinced the ex-president is a rapist.
“Every time I talk about this, it still makes me upset,” said Norma Rogers Kelsey, in an interview with talk show host Bob Enyart of KGOV in Denver.
Kelsey’s interview, broadcast in two parts, last night and tonight, comes after Broaddrick repeated her charge on national television amid the release of Hillary Clinton’s new book, which essentially ignored the accusation.
Kelsey, 49, is now a wife and mother of six children, living in Tulsa, Okla.
Juanita Broaddrick (courtesy: Fox News)
As WorldNetDaily reported, Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator in Van Buren, Ark., told Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel’s Hannity and Colmes program last Wednesday Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1978 while he was attorney general of Arkansas.
Known as “Jane Doe No. 5” in Kenneth Starr’s impeachment report to Congress, Broaddrick had filed an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, at first denying Clinton had made any unwelcome sexual advances to her. But she later claimed to investigators for independent counsel Starr she was raped.
Kelsey, who then worked for Broaddrick as a nurse, said they went together to the American College of Nursing Home Administrators convention at the Camelot Hotel in Little Rock, Ark., in April 1978.
Broaddrick had been invited to call Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign office when she arrived in town to talk about volunteering, recalls Kelsey, who was 25 at the time.
“We thought it was going to be an exciting thing to work on his campaign,” Kelsey said. “He was a charismatic young man – a person we felt like was definitely going some place.”
Nothing other than a meeting
Clinton told Broaddrick because of his stature, it would be difficult to meet in the coffee shop and suggested they talk in a room.
“She had no reason to think that there would be anything else other than a meeting involved,” Kelsey said.
Kelsey went to the convention’s scheduled event, while Broaddrick contacted Clinton.
When Kelsey returned to the hotel lobby, she called Broaddrick’s room to find out how the meeting went.
“I just remember being on the phone with her … and she was very upset,” Kelsey recalls. “She said come to the room, we have to go back to Van Buren.”
When Kelsey arrived in the room, she found Broaddrick’s “lip was all swollen and very puffed out, and she was putting ice on it.”
“She appeared to me to almost be in a shocked state,” Kelsey said.
She believes Broaddrick’s contention that the sexual contact was not consensual.
“If it had been some planned escapade she would have told me,” she said. “We were close enough friends that she would have told me.”
Kelsey recalls Broaddrick saying the meeting with Clinton began with small talk, and “she was a little surprised he was by himself.”
“She said he was showing her locations outside the window there in Little Rock, and then, all of a sudden, he just kind of grabbed her and started kissing her,” remembers Kelsey.
“He overtook her and pushed her to the bed, and from that point on it was just a rape.”
Kelsey says Broaddrick explained how her lip became swollen: “He bit her lip to try to keep her from struggling with him.”
Enyart asked if Broaddrick used the term “rape.”
“Yes, she was so upset that she had allowed that to happen,” Kelsey said. “She was afraid that this … would ruin her business. That’s why she made me promise not to tell anyone.”
Broaddrick said when Clinton made advances, she told him she couldn’t do this. Though she was a married woman, she was in love with another man, David Broaddrick, who later became her husband.
Enyart commented: “She might have thought that would cause him to back up, but that was like adding fuel to the fire. If she was willing to have an affair with a married man … .”
“Right,” Kelsey replied, “and I think that was a lot of the reason why she didn’t want anything divulged. She was wrapped up in guilt thinking she might have deserved this.”
Kelsey said on the two-hour drive back to Van Buren, Broaddrick “was just beating herself up over the fact that she could have been so stupid.”
Over the next couple of days, Clinton tried to contact Broaddrick, she said.
“She told me he had tried to reach her,” Kelsey said, “but she did not want to speak to him.”
Cause for revenge?
Kelsey did not share her story with any media until 1999 when Broaddrick gave her first televised interview, taped in February during the Senate impeachment trial by NBC’s news program Dateline but broadcast in March.
The New York Times said one of the reasons NBC delayed airing the Broaddrick interview was because a personal fact about Kelsey had given them pause.
In 1980, the man who killed Kelsey’s father was made eligible for parole by Clinton, who at the time was lame-duck governor of Arkansas.
“People thought I was out to get Clinton,” she said, noting a news report that questioned her motives.
“Our family was very upset he did that, but I would never ever accuse or tell a story like that about some one for that reason,” she said. “My father was gone anyway.”
Kelsey said she happened to be with Broaddrick again at a nursing home meeting in Little Rock in 1990 when Clinton aides called her to come with them.
When she returned to Kelsey, Broaddrick said: “You won’t believe what just happened.”
“They took her out of meeting, down this hallway at the hotel in Little Rock, and there he was,” Kelsey said, referring to Clinton. “He told her he apologized and asked if she could forgive him, and if there was any way he could to make it up to her for what had happened.”
Broaddrick told Clinton he could “go to hell.”
One year later, when Clinton announced he was running for president, Broaddrick said “now she knew why he apologized,” according to Kelsey.
Kelsey, who since had gone to work as a nurse at a steel mill in Arkansas, recalls Broaddrick calling her to let her know a colleague in the nursing home business, Phillip Yoakum, was pressing for the story to be publicized.
“She said, Norma, please do not contact anyone. If anyone contacts you, please tell them you don’t know anything.”
The New York Times called her at home, she said, “and I told them I had no comment.”
When lawyers for Paula Jones came to Broaddrick in an attempt to corroborate Clinton’s style of behavior, Broaddrick denied she had made the charge.
But Broaddrick’s son, a lawyer, warned her against lying to a federal grand jury, and she decided to tell the story.
Kelsey was then paid a visit by the FBI.
“It was very scary,” she said. “I had the FBI come to my home here in Oklahoma and sit me down and make me corroborate stories they had been hearing.”
When the FBI came, you told them the truth? Enyart asked.
“Absolutely,” Kelsey said.
Enyart read through a list of other incidents in which women claimed Clinton forced himself on them sexually.
“It’s appalling,” Kelsey said, “when you read he’s going to get a big talk show on TV, and it just makes me sick.”
After Broaddrick made her charge public, Enyart organized nearly 150 protests, following Clinton wherever he appeared around the country, and even internationally, with signs declaring, “I believe Juanita.”
The talk show host and pastor of Denver Bible Church says he plans to hold a week of protest-related events in Little Rock when the Clinton library opens to ensure the media will not ignore Broaddrick’s accusation.
Kelsey said she agreed with Enyart that the media has given Clinton a pass.
“It’s a sad story,” she said, “and it’s very sad when you are part of it and you feel like there is not anything you can say or do to change things.”