A Yeshiva graduate sitting down for a chilling conversation with a recruited Palestinian suicide bomber?
It happens in “Schmoozing with Terrorists: From Hollywood to the Holy Land, Jihadists Reveal their Global Plans – To a Jew!” by author and WND Jerusalem bureau chief Aaron Klein
For one chapter, titled, “Hi My Name is Ahmed and I Want to be a Suicide Bomber,” Klein travels to the West Bank city of Jenin to meet with Ahmed, a 23-year old Palestinian man who volunteered to become a suicide bomber for the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization.
Klein also met with the Ahmed’s recruiter, Abu Ayman, the chief of Islamic Jihad in Jenin.
Islamic Jihad, together with the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror group, took responsibility for every suicide bombing in Israel the past three years. Most Palestinian suicide bombers since September 2000 originated in Jenin.
“If I saw you during the time of my [suicide] operation, I would not hesitate to blow you up,” stated Ahmed during the interview.
“At the moment there will not be a place for feelings and hesitations,” he said. “If I go in an operation it means that I decided to leave behind my loved ones – my mother, my father, brothers and sisters, all my family and my friends. And if I am capable of this I would not give you a break just because we met for one time.
“Meanwhile, and before I drive you to hell in an operation, enjoy your tea and our hospitality,” Ahmed told Klein.
Klein asked Ahmed what is his main motivation for becoming a suicide bomber.
“Allah gave Muslims the possibility to gain their prize and payment in different ways. There are those (Muslims) who pray and fast only and respect Allah’s commandments, and there are those who wish a higher prize. And the highest prize is given to those who sac themselves, their lives, their bodies and everything in this world,” replied Ahmed.
“What you are saying is interesting because a lot of academics in the United States and many of my colleagues in the media claim Palestinians become suicide bombers because they are poor and desperate and because of so-called Israeli occupation. Are you telling me these are not the reasons you want to blow yourself up amongst Israelis?” asked Klein
Excerpts of the conversation from “Schmoozing” continue:
AHMED: The will to sacrifice myself for Allah is the first and most major reason. It is true that the Zionists are occupying our lands and that it is our religious duty to fight them, including through suicide attacks. The goal is not the killing of the Jews, but that this is the way to reach Allah.
The goal is satisfying Allah and his instructions. No money interests, nothing. No brainwash, no pressure; it is my decision. All the other lies are pathetic Israeli propaganda.
I pray that Allah gives me the honor to be dead in an operation. This is the supreme and the noblest way to ascend to Allah.
These martyrs have special status in the next world and have bigger chances to watch Allah’s face and enjoy the magnificent pleasures he offers us.
‘It is our duty to fight Jews’
KLEIN: Did I hear you say your goal is not to kill Jews? Isn’t that exactly what you will do as a suicide bomber?
AHMED: Maybe the fact that I was born here has sharpened my religious conscience, but I believe that even if I was in Chechnya, in Iraq, Afghanistan on anywhere else I would want to be a martyr.
It is Allah’s satisfaction that is important to me no matter where I live. But as we live in this part of the world, the way to reach Allah for me is through fighting the Zionist enemy. It is the jihad, the sacrificing that is important.
KLEIN: These cliches are impressive but I know you are aware that you are speaking to a Jew. Perhaps you are telling me what I want to hear. Tell me the truth. You want to kill Jews, don’t you?
AHMED: We were never taught to hate Jews but to hate the occupation of the Zionists to our Islamic land that the Zionist entity with the conspiracy of the world has stolen and occupied. Jews can have their state but not on our lands, and until this goal is achieved every Muslim must fight this entity.
The Jews stole this holy Islamic land and we must fight them, but I am looking to receive what waits for me in the next world.
KLEIN: Many programs on Palestinian television have been teaching viewers Jews are descended from pigs and monkeys and that we use Palestinian and Christian blood to bake our Passover matzos. Is this what you believe?
AHMED: I know where this question comes from. You think that we all are naive or bad from birth or that we were exposed to brainwashing. We just follow what we are demanded in the Quran to do, because if we do not do so we will be attacked, occupied, controlled and killed by these enemies of Islam.
KLEIN: You didn’t answer my question. Do you believe I come from pigs and monkeys?
AHMED: The Quran tells us that Allah was upset with the Jews because of their negative behavior towards Moses and Allah’s commandments and Allah shouted to the Jews, ‘Be pigs and monkeys.’
I don’t know if physically Allah turned them to pigs and monkeys, or it was a way to tell them that they are as terrible as pigs and monkeys. The most important thing is that this is what Allah, may he be blessed, thinks that the Jews deserve to be.
I don’t know about the Passover matzo, but I know the Jews are the nation who was known for killing Allah’s prophets and the nation that in our days wants to control the world or at least this part of the world, from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Meanwhile they (Jews) are controlling the U.S., its media, its financial system and its administration.
‘You’ll go to hell”
KLEIN: When you mentioned before the pleasures that await you after a suicide bombing, I assume you were referring to the 72 dark-eyed virgins you believe will be waiting for you in heaven?
(Potential bomber nods to signal yes.)
KLEIN: You talk about so-called martyrdom being divine. About being rewarded in the next world on supreme spiritual levels for what you say is a gift to Allah. And yet you tell me that what awaits you after a suicide operation is an eternity of sex with virgins. This is the most baseline physical pleasure imaginable. This is your religious version of heaven?
AHMED: Let me explain something to you. The world, the lower one we are in now, it is temporary. Allah examines the loyalty of human beings, asking you in this materialistic world to avoid all that is tempting, all that pleasures you on earth, and to dedicate yourself to Allah.
This doesn’t mean that Allah does not think it is good to take part in these needs of sex, in the pleasure of drinking alcohol, enjoying nature and other stuff. The point is that non-Muslims do those things in this world while ignoring Allah and all moral rules, while Muslims are asked to do a tremendous spiritual effort on earth in order to gain these other (physical) pleasures in the next world.
I don’t know how you Jews see these physical pleasures, especially after the Torah that Allah gave you was falsified, but in our religion all spiritual efforts are asked from us on earth, and it is much more difficult. So it is not that all the story is about sex. You do free sex now, I do not.
But you will go to hell after living 50, 60, 70, 80 years, and I will go, I pray that Allah accepts, to heaven, and there I will do and will enjoy what you did during these 80 years. The difference is that after these years you will burn in hell forever, and I will, after my years in this world of faith, restraint and patience, enjoy Allah’s pleasures forever.
KLEIN: Let’s say your concept of heaven is accurate. You are indeed rewarded with 72 dark-eyed virgins for living the kind of life you describe. Do you really think you will go to heaven for killing innocent civilians during a suicide operation?
BOMBER: You are treating in a ridiculous way this issue, but this is in the Quran. Go and, Allah forbid, ask Allah about this point. We are promised in the Quran to have the dark-eyed virgins and that’s it. The Quran is full of verses glorifying the shahid, the martyr.
KLEIN: Show me exactly where in the Quran it states you will get 72 dark-eyed virgins for blowing yourself up amongst civilians.
AHMED: You and I, we do not discuss Allah and the Quran. I will tell you more the moment that I will explode myself when there will be one dark-eyed virgin who will carry up my soul to the sky.
This is the important part of our mission – fulfilling Allah’s commandments and hoping to receive the prizes we were promised in the Quran.
KLEIN: Do you think your family will miss you if you became a suicide bomber, or would blowing yourself up amongst Israeli men, women and children make them proud?
AHMED: My family, I think especially my mother, they have the feeling that one day they will hear that I carried out an operation. I do not think that they will be sad that I killed myself in an operation. It is the will to satisfy Allah.
I do not think my family will be surprised if I do it, but I never told them anything, because there may be some pressure, and all our ideology is based on avoiding pressures and temptations connecting us to this lower world. It is the other world that I am seeking to join with all the love I have to my mother and my family. Now they love me, and I hope in the future they will still love me but also be proud of me.
The conversation with Ahmed is part of just one chapter in Klein’s new book. Among other highlights of “Schmoozing with Terrorists:”
- Madonna and Britney Spears stoned to death? What life in the U.S. would be like if the terrorists win.
- Jihadists list their U.S. election favorites, mouth off about politicians and even threaten to kill one 2008 presidential candidate.
- Klein and friends confront well-armed senior terrorists about whether suicide bombers really get 72 virgins after their deadly operation.
- A shocking expose on how YOUR tax dollars fund terrorism!
- Bibles used as toilet paper, synagogues as rocket launching zones? Meet the leaders of the most notorious holy site desecrations in history.
- The under-reported story of Christian persecution in the Middle East as told by the antagonists and victims.
- Terrorists offer tips on how to win the war on terror!
Klein has been interviewing terrorists since age 19, when he spent a weekend with a group connected to al-Qaida. He reports daily from Israel, going where many of his media colleagues dare not tread.
Klein is known for his regular appearances and segments on top American radio programs, where he has many times interviewed terrorists live on air. He served as a co-host of the national “John Batchelor Show,” currently on hiatus.
The oldest of 10 children, Klein attended Jewish schools from kindergarten through college at Yeshiva University in New York, where he served as editor-in-chief of the undergraduate student newspaper.
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