Teachers' union chief: Let's ignore 'science' of homosexuality

Homosexual former San Francisco leader Harvey Milk

The chief of the California teachers' union, which convinced lawmakers to adopt another law promoting homosexuality in the state's public schools this year, says he's not interested in discussing the "science" of the controversial issue.

"You can talk about science this or science that. Personally, what I believe is that a gay, lesbian or transgender or bisexual, these folks are who they are. Very much like I'm 5'7" and I have blue eyes. And I'm not really interested in engaging in that debate right now," said Dean Vogel of the California Teachers' Association in a recent radio interview.

The law, signed just days ago by Gov. Jerry Brown, takes the state a step beyond its already existing law that requires students in public schools every year to honor Harvey Milk, a homosexual activist and reported sexual predator, as well as an advocate for Jim Jones, leader of the massacred hundreds in Jonestown, Guyana.

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In honoring Milk, schools are advocating for the acceptance of what Milk sought: the entire homosexual, bisexual and cross-dressing agenda; a refusal to acknowledge sexually transmitted diseases spread by the behavior; his behavior as "a sexual predator of teenage boys, most of them runaways with drug problems"; advocacy for multiple sexual relationships at one time; and "lying to get ahead," according to SaveCalifornia.com, a leading statewide pro-family organization promoting moral virtues for the common good.

A 1982 biography of Milk tells of a 16-year-old named McKinley, who "was looking for some kind of father figure."

"At 33, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him," the book says.

It also states, "It would be to boyish-looking men in their late teens and early 20's that Milk would be attracted for the rest of his life."

Vogel's comments were made in an interview with KPBS radio in which he appeared along with Randy Thomasson, who also has launched the RescueYourChild.com website that asserts the solution for moral parents is to homeschool their children or put them in church or private schools.

On his website, Thomasson wrote about the discussion that he had with Vogel.

"Vogel, who's a big promoter of the 'LGBT' agenda, admitted that the purpose of SB48 is to make every child in California public schools communicate to homosexuals, bisexuals and transsexuals that 'they’re not abnormal'," he said.

"Seriously, telling kindergarteners that it's 'normal' for women to have their healthy breasts cut off and for men to have their manhood cut off?" Thomasson told WND.

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The audio of the interview:

"On the air, Vogel said he didn't want to discuss the origins of homosexuality or the high HIV and STD rates of homosexuals. Also piling on me was the host, Maureen Cavanaugh, who said many in her audience were offended when I reported there is no 'gay gene,' but there are thousands of former homosexuals," wrote Thomasson.

"After I stated the scientific and logical truth – that homosexuality is neither natural nor healthy and is not inherited, thus it was not appropriate to include among races and ethnicities in curriculum – CTA's Vogel had the arrogance to conclude that I was not discussing the subject 'thoughtfully,' but was being 'ideological'," he said.

"What a contrast between fact and fiction. I was being scientific and logical, while the CTA president was blindly and ideologically refusing to care or think about homosexuality's non-biological origins, homosexuality's health risk, the obvious risks to children from 'LGBT' indoctrination, and the existence of God-given parental rights (he ignored a direct question about that from the host)," he said.

Vogel told the interviewer that students who say they're homosexual say they "start feeling safer, more connected" when they hear about other homosexuals.

"The part of it is that the students they work with and sit next to and interact with in class, when hearing these things, start to understand that they're part of the fabric of the society that we're in. That they're not abnormal," Vogel said.

But Thomasson questioned the thought process.

"When you look at what's going on, where we used to say history and social studies was studying societies, government, who did good, who was successful, who was foolish, who was bad. And learning to follow good lessons … and not repeat the bad lessons of others, now we have gone into a war about who's going to be stuck in there," he said. "And when you look at the ethnic groups, the racial and ethnic groups that are already in the existing law to be studied, obviously that's something that's inherited. You inherit your race, you inherit your ethnicity. … 'Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender persons' is not a fit because you cannot inherit these attributes, there's no so-called gay gene. In fact, there are thousands and thousands of former homosexuals."

He said, "You don't find a former black person, you don't find a former Hispanic, you don't find a former Asian. So it simply doesn't fit. And that's only one of the reasons that it is a bad law."

The radio program host, Maureen Cavanaugh, interrupted:

"Let me stop you there. I know there are a lot of people who would disagree about what you said about the genetics involved in homosexuality, and whether or not there are people who used to be gay and who are not now. Let us though just concentrate on the fact that this is a group that has been discriminated against in history. And the fact that they are gay or have been gay has not been able to become known. What's wrong with teaching kids that?"

Thomasson explained the issue that his organization has argued many times:

"This law … will teach them to admire these historical or contemporary figures who are engaging in homosexuality bisexuality, transsexuality. … We would want to children to be taught the facts, not withholding information. But this law actually prohibits any negative facts about these figures to be taught. The bill actually says that you cannot 'reflect adversely' or 'promote a discriminatory bias.' That's a very broad prohibition. In other words, what I have said could not be said to children, even if it is backed up by facts, which it is, and you can't even present information from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that says that homosexual and bisexual behavior results in nearly 90 percent of the HIV transmissions. That would not be allowed."

Vogel said it wasn't a discussion he wanted. Instead, he said the state should concern itself with picking and obtaining curriculum material to teach homosexuals as role models.

"If we start trying to divide ourselves along these idealogical lines, like I said earlier, the fundamental differences in these two camps, we are not gonna be very well served," he said.

On the station's forum page, participants were infuriated:

• Jahmonkey: "Our school budgets are shrinking, we layoff teachers, and we make it mandatory to teach gay history. … Unbelievable."
• Sludgepickle: "Can anybody tell me of a great contributor in U.S. History who was OMITTED from a school text because they were L/G/B/T? Anybody?? No? That's because there hasn't been anybody. This law is a grand lie to normalize LGBT lifestyle and impose it on the rest of us."
• JohnGeorge: "'Out of the closet' is one thing. But invading our schools with 'in-your face' homosexuality is another. This bill is supposed to stop bullying. But it simply changes who is bullied. Children who take a stand for Christian morality are increasingly viewed as hateful and intolerant."
• JussMakinsense: "Let's not sugar coat this folks, Gay = Homosexual acts = Men having sex with men and women having sex with women. If consenting adults want to engage in this type of perverted behavior in the privacy of their own homes; fine, have all the freedom to do so you want. But don't teach it to our kids as if it were normal and acceptable!!!"

Thomasson said the lesson should be focused on the science, "which demonstrates homosexuality is neither natural nor health. Thus, the foundation of official 'civil rights status' on the basis of homosexuality falls apart."

"For, in the United States, all adult citizens have the same legal and constitutional rights, but not 'civil rights' based on behavior. A 'civil right' cannot be changeable and must be 'immutable.' Yet since homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality are behaviors, they don't qualify for special 'civil rights status,' which legitimately belongs to immutable race, for example," he said.

Over protests from families and family organizations, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law Senate Bill 777 and Assembly Bill 394 several years ago. The measures institutionalized the promotion of homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyles by banning any "adverse" references in schools.

At the time, officials said SB 777 "functionally requires public school instructional materials and school-sponsored activities to positively portray cross-dressing, sex-change operations, homosexual 'marriages,' and all aspects of homosexuality and bisexuality, including so-called 'gay history.'"

The second bill, AB 394, "requires public schools to distribute controversial material to teachers, students, and parents which promotes transexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality, all under the guise of 'anti-harassment' training."

The consequences of refusing to accept the state's beliefs about homosexuality can be devastating, SaveCalifornia documents.

In a report from Thomasson, he said got an email from a parent whose daughter had objected to attending a "gay straight alliance rally to honor Harvey Milk at Moreno Valley High School."

Said the email, according to Thomasson, "You were right our daughter was told she had to attend a gay straight alliance rally to honor Harvey Milk. … She shared she was a christian with the teacher and only after she saw Lauren was clearly upset about going to this rally did she issue her a hall pass. She was persecuted by another student but made it out of the class. I picked up her and she was very upset. How many other Christians were forced to go to this rally?"

The account from 16-year-old Lauren provided more details, Thomasson reported.

"When she walked into her U.S. History class Monday, May 23, she saw the words 'Gay-Straight Alliance Assembly – Harvey Milk' on the blackboard. Her teacher, obviously a pro-homosexuality agenda sympathizer, told Lauren and every other student walking in to go to the assembly. Lauren protested, but the teacher didn't listen to her at first. Lauren again said she didn't want to go, and finally the teacher exempted her, but only her," he said.

"Lauren got out of that one, but her fellow students were corralled into the brainwashing assembly, like cattle going to slaughter, where the homosexual sponsor of the on-campus Gay-Straight Alliance told them how they must support the homosexual-bisexual-transsexual agenda of Harvey Milk. Later, a Muslim classmate told Lauren she wished she had refused to go to the assembly, too."

The report described how the teacher, several days earlier, had "played several minutes of the R-rated Milk film, which showed two homosexual men in bed together."

"Parents, realize there was NO advance parental notification of this happening or the opportunity to opt out your children. Even more, realize there was no parent permission sought, no opt-in form to sign. No, Harvey Milk sexual indoctrination, and other sexual indoctrination implemented, because of other perverse laws are being done behind parents' backs and despite parents' objections," Thomasson's report said.

WND previously reported what happened to one irate parent who found out about a public school's sexual indoctrination of his children and demanded changes – he spent the night in jail.

David Parker, who brought a case against Estabrook Elementary school in Lexington, Mass., several years ago, eventually ended up withdrawing his children from the school because of the harassment they endured because of the dispute.

An appellate court said the indoctrination was appropriate because same-sex "marriages" are legal in Massachusetts following the work of former Gov. Mitt Romney and others, and the refusal of the U.S. Supreme Court to intervene.

That left the school district not only teaching behaviors the Parker family considered immoral but deliberately refusing to tell them when it would be taught, so they could keep their children home.

Parker noted the ruling says teachers "have a constitutional right to coercively indoctrinate little children [into whatever they choose to teach]."

A WND/Wenzel Strategies poll just weeks ago indicated an overwhelming majority of Americans say elementary school is no place to promote the homosexual lifestyle. Even among liberals there is a strong belief that such lessons should be left outside the door of the classroom.

"Whether they object on moral grounds or simply out of concern that many U.S. schools are failing in their core missions of teaching basics doesn't really matter – the vast majority of American adults want this type of curriculum kept out of the classroom," Wenzel chief Fritz Wenzel said.

The scientific telephone survey was done April 19-21 and had a margin of error of 3.23 percentage points. It found that 65 percent of all respondents objected to teaching elementary school children that homosexuality is a "normal alternative lifestyle."

The question was, "Do you believe elementary school children should be taught that homosexuality is a normal alternative lifestyle?"

Only 22 percent said yes, and 13 percent were unsure.