CHANTILLY, Va. – A Madrid-based investigative journalist who has spent years researching the Bilderberg group – that shadowy organization of high-level leaders in finance and government – is warning that there's no "conspiracy theory" behind the group: "It's a conspiracy reality."
Daniel Estulin, author of "The True Story of the Bilderberg Group," contends people should care because the idea behind each and every Bilderberg meeting "is to create what they themselves call the aristocracy of purpose between European and North American elites on the best way to manage the planet."
"In other words," Estulin told WND in an email exchange in which he answered questions, "the creation of a global network of giant cartels, more powerful than any nation on Earth, destined to control the necessities of life of the rest of humanity."
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This year's private meeting is being held at the Westfield Marriott Convention Center in Chantilly, Va. – the same place it was held four years ago when rumors circulated the group had determined Barack Obama would be the Democratic presidential nominee, not Hillary Clinton. Two days after the event, Clinton bowed out of the race.
The group usually holds its annual meeting in Europe, with past meetings in France, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Denmark, Scotland and Norway. But this week, through June 4, the Bilderberg Group is meeting about 20 miles from the U.S. capital.
Observers point out George H.W. Bush attended in 1985. He became president in 1988. Bill Clinton attended in 1991. He became president a year later. Tony Blair attended in 1993. He became prime minister of England in 1997. Romano Prodi attended in 1999. Later that year he became president of the European Union Commission. In 2004, Sen. John Edwards spoke to the group. He was later anointed the Democratic vice presidential nominee by presidential candidate John Kerry.
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Estulin said some people go off the deep end and try to see more than the Bilderberg Group is. That's not needed, he said, because what's already there "is and of itself is a pretty significant factor."
He said what it is is "a vehicle through which private financier oligarchical interests were able to impose their policies on what is nominally sovereign governments.
Estulin will not be in attendance this year, because he is not permitted to travel into the U.S. But he is sending a representative in his place. He believes the meetings are among the most important events to take place in the world every year.
"Bilderberg is not some group of demonic world leaders sitting around a table staring into a crystal ball," Estulin told WND. "In the U.S., a lot of people mistakenly believe there are secret societies, a very small group controlling the dynamics of the entire world, instead of understanding Bilderberg as a processes-, ideas- and themes-shaping organization.
"Bilderberg is not a bogeyman. But it is a powerful organization. It's a medium for bringing together financial institutions – the largest, predatory institutions in the world – which acts in ways that are now the worst enemy of society."
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"All these people want an empire. They don't want the people of the world to develop, to prosper, to grow the population. They want us to work for them, where our children and our children's children work for an elite group, the oligarchy. If people participate in the ideas shaping the world, if a nation is allowed to grow its own food, develop its own natural resources, be truly self-governing, it would end the Bilderbergers' oligarchy."
The question-and-answer exchange with Estulin:
WND: What exactly is the Bilderberg Club, and why should Americans care?
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Estulin: It's a meeting of people who represent a certain ideology. Bilderberg Group is not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy reality. There are many people who go off the deep end and try to make more of the Bilderberg Group than it actually was and is. It was a very important element of the oligarchical structures of the Cold War period. It is a self-perpetuating system, a virtual spider web of interlocked financial, political, economic and industry interests. And that in and of itself is a pretty significant factor, because what it meant was that it was a vehicle through which private financier oligarchical interests were able to impose their policies on what is nominally sovereign governments.
Bilderberg is a medium of bringing together financial institutions which are the world's most powerful and most predatory financial interests. And at this time, it is that combination which is the worst enemy of humanity.
Americans should care because the idea behind each and every Bilderberg meeting is to create what they themselves call "The Aristocracy of Purpose" between European and North American elites on the best way to manage the planet. In other words, the creation of a global network of giant cartels, more powerful than any nation on Earth, destined to control the necessities of life of the rest of humanity. And that in itself isn't healthy.
WND: Is there any significance to the meeting being held in America this year?
Estulin: No. Conspiracy theorists make too much of this. They say Greece became a basket case after Bilderberg met there, so did Spain after their 2010 meeting. The reality is quite different. Greece became a basket case long before Bilderberg came to town, and Spain has been mired in a great depression of their own since about 2007, three years before their meeting in Barcelona. It's just every four years Bilderberg meets in North America. Why Chantilly again? I don't know. Perhaps the food is good, because obviously there is a great number of 5-star luxury hotels in the USA where they could have met. My advice to people looking for conspiracies in every nook and corner – stick to the facts and to history.
WND: What kinds of decisions have been made at prior meetings? What are you expecting this year?
Estulin: If you look at the history of Bilderberg meetings, the conclusions reached almost always dealt with the financial aspect of the world politics. The idea is not the creation of "One World Government" as too many individuals would like to believe. Obviously, OWG is a neat little conspiracy theory which makes everything easy. But the world is a far more complex place, and the people involved at the highest levels of powers plan their moves decades ahead. The idea of Bilderberg, and that obviously has a lot to do with the decisions they reach is to create One World Government, Ltd. Corporations, in other words, with a lot more power than any government on the planet, as was explained by George Ball at the 1968 Bilderberg meeting in Canada. Key examples of this are the former president of Greece and the current caretaker unelected prime minister of Italy and member of the Bilderberg Group, Mario Monti. Both of them come from Goldman Sachs, as does Mario Draghi, current head of European Central Bank.
Obviously the complete meltdown of the world's economy will be high on the agenda. But, you have to understand why this is important. The reason? Population reduction. This has been their goal for a long time.
- Zero growth, zero progress. Club of Rome (Limits to Growth)
- CFR's "Project 1980s" promoting controlled disintegration of worldeconomy.
- Bilderberg's 1995 "Demand destruction." How do you destroy demand? By destroying the world’s economy on purpose. By cutting down productivity, through cutting down infrastructure, by cutting inventions, technology, what you are doing is you are forcing a collapse in population. And if you keep people stupid and not too numerous, then the minority can control them. Liebniz's circles discovered 300 years ago that progress and development is directly proportional to population density. You see, when we build infrastructure, we are actually reorganizing the physical space-time of the biosphere, allowing it to attain higher and higher levels of energy-flux density. Like all feats of human creativity, this is not a project designed for immediate consumption. This is a project designed to extend man's sense of self far beyond the confines of his sense perceptions and feelings of personal well-being and connect him instead to generations which will continue his legacy long after his generation has left the Earth.
So, if you want to have a future for mankind, you have to grow and progress technologically and scientifically.
"And that has nothing to do with money. What these people want is an empire. And too many people believe that in order to have an empire, you need money. But money is not a determinant of wealth and the economy. Money doesn't affect the development of the planet. There is a delusionary belief that some intrinsic value is expressed by money. Value is expressed, not as a quantity per se, but only as the relative effects of the increase, or the decrease of the physical potential relative population-density of the individual in a society. The value of money lies not in the individual exchange, but in the functional unity, known as unifying dynamic, of the social process of a nation. You know what affects the development of the planet?
Human mind affects this development. This is how mankind is measured. What separates us from animals is our ability to discover universal physical principles. It allows us to innovate, which subsequently improves the lives of people. Development of mankind, the development of the power of the individual and the nation depends upon scientific developments.
And that's called immortality, something that people who protest at thesemeeting have no inkling about.
WND: There have been calls for protests this year. Is this a new development, and do you think it will change how the meetings are conducted in the future?
Estulin: A protest is when you have 500,000 people standing outside the hotel chanting. When you have 300 people screaming crazy things at the passingcars with tinted windows, that's not a positive development which will change anything. Bilderberg calls them "the great unwashed." And obviously, for the uninitiated, normal folks who see this on TV, the effect is counterproductive. I mean, when people carry signs such as "Black pope is the king of the Bilderberg." Or 'Bilderberg is a one-eyed monster," etc., there is little positive effect or impact one will draw from this. Also, most of the people who attend the protest rallies have absolutely no idea what Bilderberg is. They don't understand history and really have no interest in the historical aspects of this organization. What do I mean?
For example, Bilderberg is a continuation of the Venetian black nobility, going back to about the time of the fourth crusade around 1204. In fact, Bilderberg is one of many such organizations that were established in the modern period as a continuation of method of Venice. For example, what's the whole system of private tax exempt foundations in the USA and Europe? Those are the old Venetian fondi, the private oligarchical funds that are exempted from the kind of taxes that would be paying in the system of sovereign nation states and the funds are deployed to exert control over policy through methods that are not to be direct and obvious to people stuck in a certainty.
To effectively protest, people first of all have to educate themselves in the history of the world and history of Venice and their effect on the modern Bilderberg meetings. Of course, that's hard, and most people simply prefer to stand on the side of the road screaming profanities at the passing cars.
WND: What is the Bilberberg's Club overall agenda, if it has one?
Estulin: First of all, let's get a few things straight. Bilderberg isn't a secret society. It is not an evil, all-seeing eye or a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy. There is no conspiracy even though a lot of people with their infantile fantasies see it as such. No group of people, and I don't care how powerful they are, sit around the table in dark room, holding hands, staring at a crystal ball, planning the world's future. These are organizations that have operational missions. These are not the seats of power. These are not the organizations that actually meet and deliberate on major policy decisions, issues of war and peace, questions of genocide. These are the conveyor belts. That's why it's a mistake to think that somehow or other you canpinpoint the Bilderbergers, the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations), the TC (Trilateral Commission), Le Circle … these organizations as the hub of oligarchical power. When you have organizations that have meeting dates, rosters of members, and now in the more modern period have websites and twitters, things like that. The oligarchical principal works on [a] different and higher level, and so they create a multiplicity of front organizations whose job is to radiate out the idea that already has been pre-determined at a much higher and much more exclusive level. These organizations play a role, but they are not at the top of the pyramid by a long shot."
WND: Do you think opposition to these meetings is growing, and if so, why do you think that is?
Estulin: The opposition is a top down phenomenon not a grass roots movement. I mean, you have the intellectuals, the professionals, the bankers themselves at a mid level, etc., who are beginning to understand that the world is a very different place from what we have been told. We need quality opposition but quantity. Crazies dressed in rags screaming at officials will only deter the masses from joining the movement.
WND: What can people opposed to the group do, seeing as how it is composed of the most powerful people in the world?
Estulin: Once again, I want to stress that these are not the most powerful people in the world. Most powerful people don't attend Bilderberg meeting. Just look at the list of attendees. CEOs of companies, members of European Parliament, European Commissioners, journalists. These are mid level cogs of the system, not the makers of history. The true power rests with people who are not listed on Google. For example, one of the most powerful families in the world are the Friscobaldies, the old Venetian nobles. Their wealth is measures in trillion of dollars. I spent 3.5 years researching these families at the National Library in Florence poring over 13th-, 14th-century notary books, counting the acres of land, their properties over the centuries. These are the true seats of power and believe me, they do not attend Bilderberg."
WND: In the world where economic power is transitioning to Asia, is the group as powerful as it once was?
Estulin: "Not only Asia. Russia is a big problem because unless you can succeed in destroying Russia and China you will not succeed in destroying [the] nation state system. And if you get an alliance between the U.S., Russia, China and India around the principles of national sovereignty, then you could deliver a death blow to this whole system of oligarchism once and for all. Because that's what Bilderberg is: [an] oligarchical system of control based on the old Venetian system.
From the standpoint of Bilderberg being any kind of a voice of authority for an oligarchical system, if you kill the oligarchical system off, then Bilderberg is absolutely useless. [End of interview]
The meetings are private, invitation-only for about 150 individuals from the worlds of politics, business, finance, energy, media and nobility. No resolutions are voted on, no outsiders at the meetings, no minutes are taken, not statements issued.
Estulin has cited David Rockefeller's own admission. Rockefeller, a Bilderberg member, wrote: "Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
And in 2009, Bilderberg Chairman Etienne Davignon boasted that the Euro single currency was actually a recommendation of the Bilderberg group.