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Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City, told a “Face the Nation” audience on CBS that saying the mantra black lives matter was racist in and of itself, and that all lives matter – black, white, Asian, it didn’t matter, we’re all Americans, he said.
He also told host John Dickerson black parents would do their children a favor if they just taught them to be more respectful of police.
Breitbart posted a transcript of the interview, which opened with Dickerson speaking of former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich’s recent statement – in which he said whites can’t understand the “extra risk that comes with being black in America,” and that whites “instinctively underestimate the danger of the black experience” – and asking for Giuliani’s thoughts.
“I agree with that completely,” Giuliani said. “The reality is, we have to look differently at race in America if we’re going to change this. We’ve been looking at it the same way for 20 years and here’s where we are. … Maybe whites have to look at it differently and blacks have to look at it differently. Whites have to realize that African-American men have a fear – and boys, have a fear of being confronted by police because of some of these incidents [police shootings].”
He then said a “second reality” is there is “too much violence in the black community,” a fact that you “never hear … Black Lives Matter” protest or rally against, he said. Specifically, he spoke of the statistics that show blacks have a far greater chance of being killed by another black, than by a police officer.
Giuliani then said: “So if you want to deal with this, on the black side, you’ve got to teach your children to be respectful to the police, and you’ve got to teach your children that the real danger to them is not the police, the real danger to them, 99 out of 100 times, 9,900 out of 10,000 times are other black kids who are going to kill them. That’s the way they’re going to die.”
Giuliani then said, “on the white side, we have to understand that, whether we get it or not, there is this extraordinary fear of the police, and police have to … institute a policy of zero tolerance, like we did for crime in New York. Zero tolerance, no disrespect.”
Dickerson then pointed out what he perceived as discrepancies in Giuliani’s views – that on one hand, whites have to understand the fear in the black community about police bias yet blacks have to teach their kids to respect police. And Giuliani’s response?
“Of course they don’t [conflict],” he said. “If I were a black father and I was concerned about the safety of my child, really concerned about it, and not in a politically activist sense, I would say, be very respectful of the police. Most of them are good. Some can be very bad. And just be very careful. … I’d also say, be very careful of those kids in the neighborhood and don’t get involved with them because, son, there’s a 99 percent chance they’re going to kill you, not the police. And we’ve got to hear that from the black community.”
Giuliani said minutes later, toward the end of the interview: “Black lives matter. White lives matter. Asian lives matter. Hispanic lives matter. That’s anti-American and it’s racist. … Of course black lives matter and they matter greatly, but when you focus in on one percent of less than one percent of the murder that’s going on in America, and you make it a national thing, and all of you in the media make it much bigger than the black kid who’s getting killed in Chicago every 14 years, you create a disproportion.”
