Special Counsel Robert Mueller is determined to question President Trump over his firing of former FBI Director James Comey and former national security adviser Michael Flynn – but talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh has a dire warning for the president: “Don’t do it! … It’s just a perjury trap.”
As WND reported, Mueller’s latest move indicates the special counsel may be aiming to build a case against the president accusing him of obstruction of justice. Mueller’s team is hoping to get answers both in a face-to-face interview and in a written statement, according to the Washington Post. Trump’s lawyers are currently negotiating the terms of the interview.
“Don’t do it,” Limbaugh advised Trump during his Wednesday show. “I don’t care what format. I don’t care what circumstance. Don’t do it. There’s nothing to gain. Especially if they’re off the ‘collusion’ business, there’s nothing to gain by talking to Mueller.”
If Mueller is actually seeking to show Trump committed obstruction of justice, that may be an indicator that the original “collusion” allegation is dead on arrival, Limbaugh explained.
“[I]f that’s true, it indicates that Mueller is on to the obstruction portion of the investigation and may have set aside the collusion angle, meaning the allegation that Trump colluded with Putin to steal the election from Hillary,” Limbaugh mused. “Now, unless the media is purposely misleading here, it would seem to be that if that’s what Mueller wants to talk to Trump about and not collusion … it would make sense. There wasn’t any! … Everybody knows that that whole gambit of the Trump dossier and Trump stealing the election by working with the Russians, there was never anything to that. It was an attempt. They did their best to make it a real thing.”
As for Mueller’s effort to question Trump, Limbaugh warned the president to stay far away from the “trap”:
It seems to me that this is a process crime/perjury trap. And if I were Trump’s lawyers, I wouldn’t let him get anywhere near this! In the first place, Trump improvises as he goes. You know, if the interview is just with Trump and his lawyers in a relaxed setting with Mueller and his anti-Trump investigators, that’s one thing.
But if it’s a grand jury appearance, which I don’t think it is yet … then Trump’s lawyers can’t go in there. You tell one little lie in there, and you are done. You’re under oath, and you have no assistance. You have no aides. You have nobody in there that can help you. You have nobody in there to tell the prosecutor he can’t ask the question, ’cause the prosecutor owns the grand jury.
So, no, you don’t do that. … If it’s just an interview in somebody’s office and you have Mueller and a couple of his investigators and Trump and his lawyer — even if the session is not formally under oath, they can still circle back and get you for lying to them, if they think that you have … if you agree to this kind of a sitdown.
So Mueller wants to ask Trump why he fired Comey and why he fired Flynn. You can see what kind of trap this is. Trump doesn’t owe anybody an explanation on this. But there are still people who think that they can force one out of him. I would also reject the offer, if it’s made — which I don’t think it would be. But there’s a possibility that Trump’s lawyers could say, “You know, we’ll do this, but we want it in writing. You submit your questions in writing, and then we’ll answer them in writing.”
And while some people think that would be the best way to go because there’s no pressure … you have the questions in front of you, and then you write your answers down and you review them. You edit them, and you don’t submit them until you are fully, fully confident that what you want to say and what you don’t want to say is in your answer. The problem, again, in my layman’s view of this, is those written answers — whoever writes them — are, for legal purposes, written by Donald Trump.
And anything he writes down can then be used as a springboard for any other avenue or branch of the investigation. … If Trump’s gonna do this, they had better get some really serious limitations on scope, on time. “OK, you want to talk to me about Flynn and you want to talk to me about Kelly. But we’re not talking about the dossier. We’re not …” They can try to set the parameters. I just think it’s a rotten idea. It’s just a perjury trap, and this is the benefit of the doubt, but even if Mueller’s not setting it up as a perjury trap, it still is one.
Even after many months of investigating, Limbaugh said Mueller’s team doesn’t have evidence showing Trump colluded with Russians. Even if Mueller did, collusion is not a crime, he added.
Mueller’s team also has no evidence that the 2016 presidential election was rigged. Or that Trump knew about some effort to rig it and worked with the Russians.
“So why would you give them another avenue to come at you, which is, of course, this obstruction angle?” Limbaugh asked Trump.
As for speculation that Mueller may be finally wrapping up his six-month investigation, which has cost taxpayers more than $7 million, Limbaugh said he doesn’t buy it.
“I don’t think Mueller’s gonna wrap this up much before the midterm elections,” he explained. “The whole point is to get rid of Trump!”
While America is led to believe the FBI is unbiased and not politicized, Limbaugh pointed to the anti-Trump messages exchanged by FBI agent and Mueller investigator Peter Strzok and attorney Lisa Page, with whom Strzok was romantically involved. He also pointed to actions of former FBI Director James Comey, the anti-Trump dossier and the FISA warrant authorizing federal authorities to spy on Trump campaign officials.
We have learned about the corrupt nature of this entire investigation. We have learned that the deep state made it all up! We’ve learned the deep state used a phony opposition research document, more than likely, to secure a warrant to spy on the Republican presidential candidate and then the Republican presidential-elect and then the Republican president. We know that this all happened. We know that Obama was culpable and involved in making sure Hillary wasn’t indicted.
We know that there was collusion between the Hillary campaign and the Russians by way of Fusion GPS. It could be — and this is a way-out-there example, too. It could be that Mueller might decide to wrap things up quickly because of how close other investigators are getting to what his investigation has been doing. I mean, there are now legitimate calls for a second special counsel to investigate this one! That’s how out of hand this has all gotten. This is how corrupt this entire process has become.
It’s way out there, but it’s possible that Mueller might want to wrap this up just to limit what else anybody learns about it going forward. Especially if they don’t have anything on Trump-Russia collusion and if they’re searching for process crimes. … There’s one thing I do not doubt, folks.
I do not doubt that the original energy and desire to deny Trump the presidency and then to destroy his campaign, destroy his transition and destroy his presidency … In other words, the effort and the energy put into it to get rid of Trump has not waned in any measurable way. It is just as intense. The people involved want to get rid of Trump today as much, if not more than they did when all this began. There has been no let-up, in my humble opinion.
Despite the “corrupt nature” of the Mueller probe, Strzok and Page’s missing texts, Obama’s culpability, all the “dishonesty” surrounding this investigation, Limbaugh said, the “deep state” still views itself as “in charge.”
“These deep-state people … view themselves as untouchable,” he said. “They don’t think we can get to them. They don’t think that they’re actually going to … Even if they get caught, nothing’s gonna happen. … The effort, the desire to get rid of Trump is as strong as ever.”
But the “deep-state people” are not elected and not accountable to anyone, Limbaugh explained.
“We don’t know who they are. We know them by terms: deep state, the intelligence community, what have you. But we don’t know who they are. We don’t know who their bosses are,” he said. “So the effort that they have been engaged in, that could be exposed, and the techniques that they have used to try to undermine (if this is the case) a presidency, at some point could be exposed.
“But unless they happen to work for a Republican, they’re never gonna be identified, and nothing is ever gonna happen to ’em. They’re gonna be protected like Dan Rather was protected after he got caught making up a news story about George W. Bush. This is why ‘drain the swamp’ and Trump’s pledge and promise to do it remains something that’s very important to do.”